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Jan 30, 2009 15:27:48 GMT -8
Post by jayborne on Jan 30, 2009 15:27:48 GMT -8
Kobe is an A defender.. borderline A+. He's one of the best 1 on 1 defenders in the league.. and if you don't think so you're an idiot. And you are a gimmick.
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Jan 30, 2009 15:30:40 GMT -8
Post by jayborne on Jan 30, 2009 15:30:40 GMT -8
Rodney Stuckey PG 6'5'' 205 21 B C+ C+ C+ C A Maybe something like Rodney Stuckey PG 6'5'' 205 21 B C+ C+ B- C A I don't think Kobe is an A defender. A- seems good. At A with his average defensive statistics (for comparison, Stuckey averages 0.2 steals and blocks less than Kobe), it's implying that he's a top perimeter defender. And while he is a really good defender (especially for a scorer, which leads to his defensive abilities getting overrated), he's not THAT good. I would whole-heartedly disagree. When it comes down to it, Kobe is a GREAT defender. He doesn't always cover the other teams best player because it would make little sense for him to tire himself out chasing a scorer around all game. If you aren't going to give Kobe "A" defense, then there should be maybe 2-3 perimeter defenders with "A" D, and no one with A+. I believe Kobe is a very good defender, but I believe his defensive ability is overrated because he's a scorer. That's just my belief.
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Jan 30, 2009 15:41:21 GMT -8
Post by AllHailManiac on Jan 30, 2009 15:41:21 GMT -8
Does LeBron really have A handles? Really?
Did anyone watch his handles against the Magic last night? He doesn't have handles - he has an A truck stick rating, but not A handles.
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Jan 30, 2009 15:45:15 GMT -8
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2009 15:45:15 GMT -8
Does LeBron really have A handles? Really? Did anyone watch his handles against the Magic last night? He doesn't have handles - he has an A truck stick rating, but not A handles. What about the rest of the season?
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Jan 30, 2009 15:47:02 GMT -8
Post by KG on Jan 30, 2009 15:47:02 GMT -8
I think everyone is too good. Highest defensive rating should be B-.
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Jan 30, 2009 15:51:36 GMT -8
Post by jayborne on Jan 30, 2009 15:51:36 GMT -8
LeBron with A handles might be a bit much. He's an amazing ball-handler, but THAT good? And his defense should fall if moved to PG (Nobody will do it because of his rebounds, but he shouldn't be a good defender at PG).
Maxiell with B defense would be nice.
Arron Affalo SG 6'5'' 215 22 C+ C+ C- B- C- B Should be Arron Affalo SG 6'5'' 215 22 C B C- B C- B
He's a really solid defender, and he just shoots 3's. He rarely ever drives. Plus he's a pretty good FT shooter.
Antonio McDyess PF 6'9'' 245 33 B- C- D+ B- B D Maybe... Antonio McDyess PF 6'9'' 245 33 C+ C D+ B- B D
I know he's a bad FT shooter, but all he does is shoot jumpshots. 15 foot jumpshots. I haven't seen him make an interior basket that wasn't a put-back in a long time.
Tyrus Thomas with A scouted potential? I don't know, does anyone really think he's going to raise his game or is he just the next Stromile Swift.
Missing Will Bynum.
Kwame Brown should be F F F B B- F.
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Jan 30, 2009 15:53:10 GMT -8
Post by AllHailManiac on Jan 30, 2009 15:53:10 GMT -8
Does LeBron really have A handles? Really? Did anyone watch his handles against the Magic last night? He doesn't have handles - he has an A truck stick rating, but not A handles. What about the rest of the season? Last night is all that really matters. What have you done for me lately? B+ C- C- C- C- C for LeBron!
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Jan 30, 2009 15:55:30 GMT -8
Post by jayborne on Jan 30, 2009 15:55:30 GMT -8
I think everyone is too good. Highest defensive rating should be B-. You say this jokingly (most likely), but you make a VERY valid point. One annoying thing about FBB is that the defensive stats are inflated. VERY inflated. In NBA, there are about 3-5 players each year who average over 2 blocks per game. In FBB, there are about 25-30. Same with steals. I know this sounds like a lot, but I'd physically help you tone down the blocking and stealing ratings in the game so we get a more accurate output. Some other things FBB has a problem with is big men shooting under 50% and too many assists. I'm totally serious about this defense thing.
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Jan 30, 2009 15:56:45 GMT -8
Post by AllHailManiac on Jan 30, 2009 15:56:45 GMT -8
I do not disagree with Jay on this one.
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Jan 30, 2009 16:03:22 GMT -8
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2009 16:03:22 GMT -8
What about the rest of the season? Last night is all that really matters. What have you done for me lately? B+ C- C- C- C- C for LeBron! Nothing. Why would I do anything for you? Make LeBron F F F F F F for all I care, I don't have a good pick
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Jan 30, 2009 16:06:22 GMT -8
Post by jayborne on Jan 30, 2009 16:06:22 GMT -8
Kevin Garnett is now a B+ rebounder. And I still love the guy as a player, but his rebounding has fallen off since Boston.
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Jan 31, 2009 8:30:54 GMT -8
Post by jayborne on Jan 31, 2009 8:30:54 GMT -8
I think everyone is too good. Highest defensive rating should be B-. You say this jokingly (most likely), but you make a VERY valid point. One annoying thing about FBB is that the defensive stats are inflated. VERY inflated. In NBA, there are about 3-5 players each year who average over 2 blocks per game. In FBB, there are about 25-30. Same with steals. I know this sounds like a lot, but I'd physically help you tone down the blocking and stealing ratings in the game so we get a more accurate output. Some other things FBB has a problem with is big men shooting under 50% and too many assists. I'm totally serious about this defense thing. Anybody object to this?
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Jan 31, 2009 8:33:00 GMT -8
Post by Spencer on Jan 31, 2009 8:33:00 GMT -8
You say this jokingly (most likely), but you make a VERY valid point. One annoying thing about FBB is that the defensive stats are inflated. VERY inflated. In NBA, there are about 3-5 players each year who average over 2 blocks per game. In FBB, there are about 25-30. Same with steals. I know this sounds like a lot, but I'd physically help you tone down the blocking and stealing ratings in the game so we get a more accurate output. Some other things FBB has a problem with is big men shooting under 50% and too many assists. I'm totally serious about this defense thing. Anybody object to this? Through progression players shot blocking increases though. I almost think its better just to have it from the beginning, as opposed to having small amounts of shot blockers now and then later in the league having tons of shot blockers.
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Jan 31, 2009 9:07:26 GMT -8
Post by jayborne on Jan 31, 2009 9:07:26 GMT -8
Through progression players shot blocking increases though. I almost think its better just to have it from the beginning, as opposed to having small amounts of shot blockers now and then later in the league having tons of shot blockers. If you changed the way we gave out defensive ratings, would shot blocking ratings really change? If we made prospects with the same mindset as we edit the players too, why would they? I'm gonna try it with a test file. Anyone got the N3N one?
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Jan 31, 2009 9:11:14 GMT -8
Post by Spencer on Jan 31, 2009 9:11:14 GMT -8
Through progression players shot blocking increases though. I almost think its better just to have it from the beginning, as opposed to having small amounts of shot blockers now and then later in the league having tons of shot blockers. If you changed the way we gave out defensive ratings, would shot blocking ratings really change? If we made prospects with the same mindset as we edit the players too, why would they? I'm gonna try it with a test file. Anyone got the N3N one? I think the game raises shot blocking at an abnormally high level if a player has high potential. If you made an effort to keep blocks low Im sure it could be done I just think your fascination with low blocks, steals and assists is something that is important to you, but not important enough to those who make files for leagues your in.
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